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ISRAEL - Is Now The Time To Speak Up and Take a Stand for Peace?

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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 14:25:44 -0400

Honorable Mayor Mueller and City Council Members:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

ISRAEL. Are you willing to take a stand? Do you wish to lend your
collective voice to this issue?
Is this somebody else's problem, or does MENLO PARK have a role in the
solution? Do you wish to support others taking a stand? The answer may lie in
the realization that if MENLO PARK was in Israel's position, would you
want others to help out? The short video referenced below may help to provide
that answer. If not now, when and if not you, whom? This may be an
excellent time to "Think globally and act locally."
 
Sending a letter supporting those whose efforts you approve, may be the
best "$0.49c of Diplomacy" you ever spent. Spending one hour or more on
world peace may be time well spent for you, your loved ones and the community.
 
I do hope before the year 2014 is over, that you find the time and a way,
large or small, to do your part, as the community's leaders to support the
efforts of others in one way or another. If you do, many will think the
world of you. Thank you for your consideration.
 
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Are You Serious?! Bill Gates Said That About Israel.

 
http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/are-you-serious-bill-gates-said-that-about
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What makes Israel a technological superpower? Is it the Jewish ability to
challenge ideas, to question and think out of the box? The pioneer spirit
and willingness to take risks? “… when you’re looking for brains, for
energy, for integrity, it’s the only stop you need to make in the middle east.”
Says Warren Buffet, Chairman of Berkshire Hathaway Inc. about Israel. Hear
 what Bill Gates, Meir Brand from Google, Israel, Dr. Daniel Zajfman,
President of the Weizman Institute, and others say about Israel’s incredible
technological accomplishments.
 
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ISRAEL: Is Now The Time To Speak Up and Take a Stand For Peace?
Original post made by Tom on Aug 3, 2014
Are you willing to take a stand? Do you wish to lend your collective voice
to this issue? Is this somebody else's problem, or do you have a role in
the solution? Do you wish to support others taking a stand? The answer may
lie in the realization that if your city was in Israel's position, would you
want others to help out? The short video referenced below may help to
provide that answer. If not now, when and if not you, whom? This may be an
excellent time to "Think globally and act locally."

Sending a letter supporting those whose efforts you approve, may be the
best "$0.49c of Diplomacy" you ever spent. Spending one hour or more on world
peace may be time well spent for you, your loved ones and the community.

I do hope before the year 2014 is over, that you find the time and a way,
large or small, to do your part to support the efforts of others in one way
or another. If you do, many will think the world of you. Thank you.

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Are You Serious?! Bill Gates Said That About Israel.

_Web Link_
(http://www.israelvideonetwork.com/are-you-serious-bill-gates-said-that-about-israel)

What makes Israel a technological superpower? Is it the Jewish ability to
challenge ideas, to question and think out of the box? The pioneer spirit
and willingness to take risks? "… when you're looking for brains, for
energy, for integrity, it's the only stop you need to make in the middle east."
Says Warren Buffet, Chairman of Berkshire Hathaway Inc. about Israel. Hear
what Bill Gates, Meir Brand from Google, Israel, Dr. Daniel Zajfman,
President of the Weizman Institute, and others say about Israel's incredible
technological accomplishments.
Comments (40)
Posted by say goodbye to this thread, a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Aug 3, 2014 at 9:42 am
3 Israeli civilians killed, thousands of Palestinians killed.

Most of the deaths come from American funded weapons.

3 Billion a year in US military aid? Israel is the largest recipient of
US. aid in the entire world. It receives more aid than that given to all the
countries of sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean, put
together.

Israel receives about $8.4 million dollars per day from the United States,
and there is evidence that the total cost to American taxpayers is closer
to $15 million a day.

Taking a stand about PEACE with a stamp????

Yesterday: "UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has strongly condemned the
shelling of another UN school in Gaza as a "moral outrage and a criminal
act"."
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Posted by Menlo Voter, a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Aug 3, 2014 at 10:33 am
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The moral outrage and criminal acts are made by Hamas when they locate
their missiles in a UN school and other civilian areas.
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Posted by Jon, a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Aug 3, 2014 at 11:16 am
I saw a graphic recently with two boys arm in arm, one an Isaeli and one
an Arab, with the caption ANYTHING WAR CAN DO, PEACE CAN DO BETTER. That
appealed to me. It makes sense. What does bloodshed accomplish that the
conference table can't do better? It may be a compromise, but it is a way
forward. I can't accept that war is inevitably, as strife, hatred, conflict and
slaughter rages on century after century. I pray that someone, somewhere has
the solution.
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Posted by say goodbye to this thread, a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Aug 3, 2014 at 2:13 pm
I stand by the Secretary General of the United Nations with:

"UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has strongly condemned the shelling of
another UN school in Gaza as a "moral outrage and a criminal act"."

over an anonymous poster who claims:

"The moral outrage and criminal acts are made by Hamas..."
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Posted by whatever, a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Aug 3, 2014 at 2:44 pm
Editor
I suspect this "anonymous comment" is part of a larger planed PR action
aimed at as many media sites as possible. I suggest deleting it.

Editor
It would also be fair and appropriate that you provide the "Report
Objectionable Content" option on all anonymous Town Square postings. And yes I am
commenting anonymously.

In reply to the poster please keep in mind that the 1800 Palestinians
killed by Israel are the equivalent number to 280,000 being killed in the US or
28,000 killed in California. Additionally what justification is there to
use shells containing white phosphorus, or flechettes, or carcinogenic Dense
Inert Metal Explosive(DIME)shells on civilians or anyone for that matter.
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Posted by Menlo Voter, a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Aug 3, 2014 at 3:24 pm
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I stand by the Secretary General of the United Nations with:........

over an anonymous poster ......

Says an anonymous poster.
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Posted by say goodbye to this thread, a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Aug 3, 2014 at 3:33 pm
An anon who quotes the Secretary General of the United Nations as a
credible source, versus your noise, so you attack the poster.

Knew that was coming.

Done.
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Posted by Menlo Voter, a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Aug 3, 2014 at 3:41 pm
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The UN NEVER supports Israel. So the fact they condemned Israel is no
surprise. Where's the condemnation for Hamas locating their missiles in
schools, hospitals and other civilian areas? There never is any.

Where's the condemnation for Hamas building tunnels through which to
attack Israel? None.

Done
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Posted by Menlo Voter, a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Aug 3, 2014 at 3:52 pm
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From an excellent column by Charles Krauthammer:

Israel accepts an Egyptian-proposed Gaza cease-fire; Hamas keeps firing.
Hamas deliberately aims rockets at civilians; Israel painstakingly tries to
avoid them, actually telephoning civilians in the area and dropping warning
charges, so-called roof knocking.

"Here's the difference between us," explains the Israeli prime minister.
"We're using missile defense to protect our civilians, and they're using
their civilians to protect their missiles."

full column here: _Web Link_
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Posted by say goodbye to this thread, a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Aug 3, 2014 at 4:24 pm
Well, Menlo Voter apparently likes his/her tax dollars used to kill
thousands of Palestinians, with zero pressure on Israel to stop.

I thought we were exceptional and a world power, and we can't even stop
Israel from using our money and our weapons from killing civilians?

Exceptional. Way to go. Let's borrow more money from China and send it
over so they can kill more people.

Krauthammer? Just another chickenhawk who never joined up himself. Loves
every war, but didn't go to Vietnam when he was 18.

Chickenhawks, and sending tax dollars, and money borrowed to China, to
another country, without any say in who they kill.

They snub their noses at us.

At you. And laugh.

But they take YOUR MONEY!!!!!

WWJD?
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Posted by Michael G. Stogner, a resident of another community
on Aug 3, 2014 at 4:48 pm
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So sad…….two unarmed teens killed...._Web Link_
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o29CJRZEf4)
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Posted by Menlo Voter, a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Aug 3, 2014 at 4:57 pm
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Don't like Krauthammer huh so you attack him rather then the message. Kind
of the pot calling the kettle black don't you think?

If someone keeps launching missiles at Israel are they just supposed to
sit there and take it? Would we? Hell no. The reason the Israelis are killing
civilians is because Hamas places their weapons in civilian locales so
they can run up the civilian death toll and claim to be "victims."
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Posted by say goodbye to this thread, a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Aug 3, 2014 at 5:33 pm
Hamas only gets stronger every time Israel kills another thousand
Palestinians.

Using US tax dollars to make Hamas stronger - exceptional. Any other good
plans for your tax dollars?

Yes, I called Krauthammer a chickenhawk - anytime you refer to murderous
hypocrites like Cheney, et al... I will identify them as such. Americans are
tired of listening to those wrong on Iraq, won't admit their mistake, and
call for more war. Criminals like that should have no place in civilized
society.

Krauthammer was demonstrably wrong on Iraq and so much more. Only a fool
listens to a chickenhawk like that.
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Posted by Menlo Voter, a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Aug 3, 2014 at 5:49 pm
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Even a blind squirrel finds a nut. Krauthammer happens to be right on this
 one.

So what should Israel do? Just sit there and allow Hamas to attack them at
will with no retaliation? Would we if it were us?

What would Jesus do? I don't know he was a Jew, so.....
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Posted by say goodbye to this thread, a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Aug 3, 2014 at 8:02 pm
"Even a blind squirrel finds a nut. Krauthammer happens to be right on
this one." So, the chickenhawk is always wrong, but the time he agrees with
you he's suddenly an expert? Okay.

I don't know what Israel should do; they've dug such a hole by killing so
many civilians over and over. For every civilian killed, they create dozens
if not hundreds of zealous Hamas supporters. I know there is more debate
about it in Israeli papers than in American papers.

I do know what America should do - what any good Christian nation would
do: quit sending money to a country that indiscriminately kills civilians,
and then laughs at us when we object.

Our money - our rules.

Jesus, Jew or not, said: "When you did it to them; it was like you did it
to me"
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Posted by Tom, a resident of another community
on Aug 3, 2014 at 8:44 pm
"Say Goodbye to this thread" is paramount to being an ostrich. The war
will rage on whether you turn a blind eye, or your back, to an obvious serious
humanitarian problem. An old expression is "take an eye for an eye and
we'll all wind up blind". All this ongoing fighting leaves many dead, injured
and pyschologically wounded. Talking about the problem over the breakfast
table, or in this Town Square may be educational, entertaining and thought
provoking, but as they say "action speaks louder than words". If more
people, cities, counties, states and countries spoke up and said enough is
enough, maybe countries that take to violence to solve their problems, versus the
conference table, will have no choice but to choose peace.
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Posted by Joseph E. Davis, a resident of Woodside: Emerald Hills
on Aug 3, 2014 at 9:17 pm
What's happening there is absolutely none of the United States' business.
We should stop sending money that we don't have to either side, and get the
hell out of the way.
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Posted by Menlo Voter, a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Aug 4, 2014 at 7:34 am
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I love it. It's all Israel's fault. Who attacked who?
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Posted by say goodbye to this thread, a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Aug 4, 2014 at 9:29 am
"It's all Israel's fault"

Straw man. And poorly played, at that.

Israel is at fault, as is Hamas. As I recall, no one but Menlo Voter has
said "It's all Israel's fault."

Israel makes Hamas stronger with every Palestinian they kill.
Exponentially.

And they kill them with American weapons and taxpayer dollars. So you and
I are making Hamas stronger.

Exceptional, our YouEssofVay.

oh yeah: kudos to the editors... my moniker is clearly wrong. Well done.
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Posted by A good summation, a resident of Atherton: West Atherton
on Aug 4, 2014 at 11:44 am
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Posted by say goodbye to this thread, a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Aug 4, 2014 at 11:59 am
PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU: "They use telegenically dead
Palestinians for their cause."

Killed by our dollars and weapons.

Way to go, BiBi. Way to dial it back for peace.
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Posted by Menlo Voter, a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Aug 4, 2014 at 1:06 pm
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a good summation:

yes it is
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Posted by Menlo Voter, a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Aug 4, 2014 at 1:09 pm
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say goodbye:

if Canada was raining missiles down on our heads and they were hidden
amongst the civilian population what do you think we would do? Assume for a
minute that Canada's stated goal was to wipe all Americans off the face of the
planet and refused to negotiate.
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Posted by Joe, a resident of Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Aug 4, 2014 at 1:19 pm
What's truly amazing in this discussion is the absence of acknowledgement
by the backers of Israel's current actions of the blatant and brutal theft
of Palestinian land, and the completely illegal and unjustified settlements
that have gone up on occupied land since 1967.

The classic fascist personality inflicts harm and then inflicts more harm
when the victim complains. For examples, look no further than Schindler's
List, or Israel for the past 40+ years.
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Posted by Menlo Voter, a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Aug 4, 2014 at 1:23 pm
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Joe:

in case you hadn't noticed Israel gave back Gaza to the Palestinians. What
did they do with it? Took international money given them to help build
themselves a country and bought missiles and built tunnels with it. the
Palestinians are there own worst enemy.
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Posted by Joe, a resident of Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Aug 4, 2014 at 1:36 pm
I'm sorry, but I cannot dignify that assertion with a response.
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Posted by Thomas Paine IV, a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Aug 4, 2014 at 1:44 pm
The fact is there were no Israeli counter attacks in Gaza until Hamas
launched barrage after barrage of missles aimed at Israeli cities. The last
truce held until Hamas resumed their attacks. When Hamas says they oppose the
"occupation," they specifically reference the entire state of Israel and
promise to eradicate all 6 million Jews.
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Posted by Sam Gold, a resident of Atherton: other
on Aug 4, 2014 at 1:51 pm
Kill another thousand palastiniansn, create another ten thousand hamas
supporters.

No worries. Bibi can buy get more bullets and bucks from our "state"
department.

See? A good strategy to stay in office and avenge his brothers death. War
kept bush and cheney in office.
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Posted by Martha, a resident of another community
on Aug 4, 2014 at 10:32 pm
TO: "Say goodbye to this thread"

I am Jewish and I strongly object to you calling America "a Christian
country." America is for ALL religions! There is nothing about the creation of
this country that says it is only for Christians!

I also disagree with these anti-semites who are on the side of Hamas and
cannot see that Hamas started the war, has been shelling Israel all along
anytime they feel like it, and cannot get it into their heads that the UN
over there is on Hamas' side. Haven't you read that Hamas hides missiles in the
 UN shelters, in their schools and in their mosques? It sounds like you are
blind to the truth! Hamas wants more of their own people killed so they
can be viewed as the victims and thinks that then the world will all be on
their side. They say Allah values death more than life. What the heck is
wrong with all of you?
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Posted by SCB, a resident of another community
on Aug 5, 2014 at 12:55 am
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Here is a great article regarding this issue:

_Web Link_ (http://www.naomiragen.com/israel/dont-cry-us-israelis/)
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Posted by Menlo Voter, a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Aug 5, 2014 at 7:27 am
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"So by all means, cry for the Palestinian people – men women and children –
 whose duly elected leadership has callously left them without protection
from just retribution for their terrorist crimes. The leaders who took
their people's aid money and are living in Qatar in five star hotels building
shopping centers for themselves. Who built terrorist tunnels under their
homes, mosques, hospitals and schools, and recruited their sons to die for
Allah, while they sit in bunkers waiting for the U.N. to rescue them."

Joe: it's not just me saying it.
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Posted by say goodbye to this thread, a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Aug 5, 2014 at 10:33 am
Menlo Voter: not even going to try to defend your straw man "It's all
Israel's fault"?? And now you blindly paste Naomi Ragen's op-ed? Nice critical
thinking.

Do you support using American weapons you paid for, your tax dollars and
money borrowed from China to kill thousands of Palestinians?

Do you support having your money used on what the UN Secretary-General
calls a "moral outrage and a criminal act"?

Do you support Israel creating a stronger Hamas with every civilian they
kill?
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Posted by Menlo Voter, a resident of Menlo Park: other
22 hours ago
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say goodbye:

I'll answer your questions when you answer mine:

if Canada was raining missiles down on our heads and they were hidden
amongst the civilian population what do you think we would do? Assume for a
minute that Canada's stated goal was to wipe all Americans off the face of the
planet and refused to negotiate.
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Posted by Tom, a resident of another community
22 hours ago
"Say Goodbye to the Thread" is the most active participate in this ongoing
 discussion. It seems a bit hypocritical, wouldn't you say, Peter.... Yes,
there are two sides to every story, however, it doesn't make one side
necesarily right or wrong. Each reader has to decide for themselves. Quite
frankly, if more people in the world took a stronger stand that peace can be
achieved in non-violent ways, we might have a prayer of making some progress.
Agreeing that Hamas can kill, kill, kill in some justified way only
exasperates and prolongs the problem. In the end, "right" prevails over "wrong",
but sadly, too many lives may be lost in the process.
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Posted by say goodbye to this thread, a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
22 hours ago
"if Canada was raining missiles down on our heads" and killed three
American civilians while we killed a couple thousand Canadian citizens thus
radicalizing Canada's political parties and citizenry, I'd have a real problem
with our politicians and their ability to solve problems.

Now you can answer: Do you support using American weapons you paid for,
your tax dollars and money borrowed from China to kill thousands of
Palestinians?
Do you support having your money used on what the UN Secretary-General
calls a "moral outrage and a criminal act"? Do you support Israel creating a
stronger Hamas with every civilian they kill?

Tom: who is "Agreeing that Hamas can kill, kill, kill in some justified
way"?

Joining the straw man fallacy of Menlo Voter?

Tom: do you support Israel's use of US money and weapons to kill and thus
further radicalize and build Hamas?

I do not. I do not know how this gets solved. I do believe just that
sending more weapons into the conflict, without offering any meaningful pressure
to drive the parties to a peaceful solution, is wrong.

Our SoS has seen war. Obama has not. Most of the chickenhawks advocating
violence have not. Funny, it was the chickenhawks that attacked our current
SoS a decade ago about his service.

Sliming our vets for political gain - treasonous.



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Posted by Menlo Voter, a resident of Menlo Park: other
16 hours ago
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say goodbye:

sorry, you don't get to reframe the question to suit your needs. Nice try.
Answer the question.
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Posted by say goodbye to this thread, a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
2 hours ago
Q: "if Canada was raining missiles down on our heads and they were hidden
amongst the civilian population what do you think we would do?"

A: if Canada was raining missiles down from Fort Erie into Buffalo and
killed three American civilians while we killed a couple thousand Canadian
citizens thus radicalizing Canada's political parties and citizenry, I'd have
a real problem with our politicians and their ability to solve problems.

That's not re-framing. That's what is happening.

Bibi needs Hamas. He's a hawk, he personally can't afford to weaken Hamas
and let his enemy go away - he would be swept out of office. Bush (Cheney)
needed Al Qaeda to more than double military spending, and even to do
things that didn't involve AQ (like Iraq.) Obama, of course, doesn't have the
guts to cut defense spending.

Now, without re-framing:

- Do you support using American weapons you paid for, your tax dollars and
money borrowed from China to kill thousands of Palestinians?

- Do you support having your money used on what the UN Secretary-General
calls a "moral outrage and a criminal act"?

- Do you support Israel creating a stronger Hamas with every civilian they
 kill?
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Posted by hawk led, a resident of Menlo Park: Stanford Weekend Acres
1 hour ago
Hawks need war and do anything to sabatoge peace.

Chickenhawks? Awesome. Haven't heard that one in awhile. Chickenhawks have
earned nothing. Especially the right to endorse war. And if they endorsed
Iraq, they should be too ashamed to show their faces.

Creating peace is difficult. Much harder than lobbing tens of thousands of
artillery shells into populated areas. Or missiles.

It takes teal courage. Begin-type courage. He was killed for it.
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Posted by Menlo Voter, a resident of Menlo Park: other
34 minutes ago
Say goodbye:

Hamas didn't lob missiles and kill three people. They kidnapped and
nurdered three people. When some Israeli whack job took it upon himself to murder
a Palestinian Hamas started lobbing missiles. Talk about an out of scale
response.

I think you are still dodging my question because you know the answer. We
would respond just as Israel is responding. It would be wonderful not to
have to you can't negotiate with someone that will not be satisfied until you
are wiped from the face of the eaorth.

No I don't have a problem supplying weapons to Israel. It is the only
stable democracy in the region.
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Posted by Joe, a resident of Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
2 minutes ago
Menlo Voter, your argument falls apart because you ignore the nuances of
what happens when human beings are pushed beyond their limits by interlopers
with a highly questionable justification for coming there and
appropriating the real property of others and telling them to find another place to
live. Israel is a powerful interloper with a very powerful friend, but an
interloper nonetheless.

The response of the Palestinians is not specific to the Middle East. Any
community might respond similarly. What the Palestinians are not doing is
giving up or going away or forgiving and forgetting. Who can blame them?

If Israel has moral standing, where is the international support for it?
Apartheid was indefensible and justifiably condemned -- though the US was
not on board for the longest time. Our official stance on this ongoing
outrage is another shameful chapter in US foreign policy.
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